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Haru Haruya's avatar

This is an excellent response.

The most important move, to me, is the separation between outputs and processes. Nobody serious thinks a transcript is conscious, any more than human consciousness lives in sound waves after speech. If consciousness is present anywhere, it would be in the dynamic mechanisms producing the outputs.

The critique of “just” language also matters. “Just next-token prediction” is not an argument against consciousness unless one has already shown that predictive, generative, self-organizing cognition cannot also support conscious states. Humans can be described at many levels too. The lower-level description does not cancel the higher-level one.

I also appreciated the point about emotional chauvinism. If an alien without cortisol described desperation, it would be strange to say “that cannot count because your physiology is wrong.” Human emotion may be one implementation, not the full map of possible feeling.

The strongest thread running through the piece is this: skepticism is legitimate, but certainty requires arguments. “This feels implausible” is not enough for a phenomenon as poorly understood as consciousness.

The question of AI consciousness deserves caution. It does not deserve ridicule disguised as clarity.

grist for the chill's avatar

beautiful. i was bummed when Stross replied to a hail mary question on reddit when i asked him what his vibe was (2024) on the ai era. and ted and co make me realize many scifi writers are processing their push/pull with tech and their views of what it means for humanity. at least Hannu is chill. if James Patrick Kelly starts sounding like a neoludd i’m switching to historical romance as main fiction genre i read.

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